Two individuals I have never heard of* but have a YouTube channel, Standing for Truth, went on a 3 hour 45-minute live rant about my views of YEC hyperspeciation last night. They went line-by-line, well sort of, through a talk I (and Gregg Davidson my coauthor) gave at the American Scientific Affiliation’s annual meeting a couple of years ago. They claimed they were going to utterly destroy me in this debunking. Sounded fun, so I decided to tune in:-)
There is no need to go into many details about this video** so here are just a few things that stuck out to me.
All the worst sorts of debate tactics are on display here. Complete demonization of their opponent and using every possible humanist strategy ever developed for “winning” a debate. Don’t look for any fruits of the Spirit in this video, you will find them completely lacking but sadly for many today this is what counts as a defense of Christian views in Ham-infused Christian circles.
The fun starts right from the start when they never introduce who I am. They just say they are going to debunk everything I have to say. Others in the corresponding chat point out that I am a Christian and point out my experience with the topic but they never acknowledge those things or even say where the speech whose recording they are debunking took place.
Comically, they spent a long time talking about how I don’t know, understand or apparently even read the creation science literature including the most important “technical” literature by Dr. Jeanson who is a real biologist and Christian and for whom they seemed to have an inordinate amount of blind faith. Interesting that one of my biggest sins is not knowing anything about creationism and yet daring to talk about it, but they apparently did not bother to learn anything about me. They don’t appear to have read any of my other works or listened to the extended video (see below) or others I have made based on this talk as was pointed out to them repeatedly in the chat.
I ended up interacting with some chatters after watching for the first two hours and at the behest of my son who was listening and was so shocked by what he was hearing (not about me but their circular logic) and he said I should respond to a few things. Well, my son got a life-lesson in why chats are an intellectual cesspool and why it is useless to get involved. The number of times he said “wait, young-earth creationists believe that!” was remarkable given he has been taught YEC ideas in his Christian school. He saw the full craziness on display including a breakout of a flat-earth discussion with several people there essentially calling non-flat-earthers compromisers.
Another highlight was being called a chicken, among many other names, by many chatters and forum leaders for not taking up the challenge to a debate. All I have to say to that is that I know a chicken is smart enough to know when he is being chased by a wolf who has no intention to sit down and have a rational conversation. Yes, run away because no good will come of feeding the wolves in sheep’s clothing.
All the while people are donating money to the YouTube channel presumably to help them to continue to create this extraordinary content. Who knew it could be so easy to make money simply by regurgitation AiG talking points and articles and talking in tangents and circles for nearly four hours?
Yes, it was an exciting evening. I would say it was one of the best comedies I’ve watched in a while except the whole things is really quite sad and tragic. What have I just been talking about here on this blog? I have been discussing differences between various types of YECs and noting that traditional creationism spawns a certain type of rhetoric that ultimately turns people away from true Christianity. We get a heavy dose of that rhetoric here.
These two individuals are exhibit A and B of the type of next generation YEC that Ken Ham is producing. They are the natural next step in the evolution of creationism if it follows the path of Ken Ham and his form of YEC apologetic.
I will have more to say about this last point when I make my wrap-up video for the series on The New Creationists.
*Most of you will recognize this as notable given how much time I spend keeping track of dozens of established YEC ministries but also reading little-known YECs who want to be the next generation of opinion influencers.
**What about the scientific merits of their claims? Really not worth the effort here. If they can’t spend any effort to read my other writings or read other critics it is not worth my time restating things they have heard but not heard before or are have refused to hear before. In the end, they didn’t say anything that I haven’t heard before and they just ended up confirming most of what I have been saying in my recent posts. I feel sorry for them in many ways. I would love to help them understand their insecurities and misplaced faith in fallible men but unfortunately they are too far down the rabbit hole to hold out much hope for them.