Exploring the Intersection of Science and Faith in the Spirit of John Ray
Cool spot to go in Yellowstone: Moose Falls near the south entrance. It’s right by the road and you can swim behind the waterfall before swimming through the waterfall. Plus, a thermal runs into the river upstream, so the water temperature is great for swimming. Good place for teenagers!
Thanks for the tip. Always looking for those great stops and we will head right by there around lunchtime on our way down to the Tetons.
If you have time (and hit Sturgis on your way to Devils Tower), check out Ft. Meade on Google, the stock dam 900 feet off a gravel road to the east. Here in the 1870s (with money finally appropriated for target practice) the 7th must have set up hay piles. Where cattle tromp the mud today, odds are you’ll find a handful of 45/70 slugs, grey/white from lead oxidation. A snake possible. Bear Butte to the north burned over some years back, thus less to offer as a hike. It’s the Sioux “Sinai.” You can find my writing on that, years ago, posted at: WLS Essay File. At Ken Ham’s “Ark,” note that we now see where the door is located – lower main level – subject to wave violence. Not good. GLL
Thanks, I will look into that. Should be very close. I am planning on staying in Spearfish overnight and visiting the Deadwood and the Homestake Mine. But we should have some time in that area that evening. Would be great to get some more American history into the trip.
I wonder what sort of food the Ark Encounter restaurant will serve. For it to be a truly holistic experience, they should serve the kind of food Noah and his family ate during their year-long journey. But I’m guessing that won’t go down too well.
Hope you have a great holiday!
Genesis 9 implies that Noah and his ancestors were not permitted to eat meat until the Noahide covenant, so if their food is biblical, it will have to be vegetarian only.
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Sounds like a nice vacation. Or maybe holiday, a word derived from holy day. I can attest to being a hundred miles from city lights and a clear night to what the stars and the Milky Way look like. Having had a certain fondness for astronomy since childhood I would suggest you take a good pair of binoculars and if a friend has a shooter’s spotting scope take that as well. I had a small 40x 60mm scope and we spent many an evening looking looking at Jupiter and the four moons visible. The rings of Saturn were spectacular at that time around 1989. Always wished I could afford a really good telescope, but I had a family to support and couldn’t go that way.
I see you are on a northern mountain time itinerary. Have you been to the southern part of the mountain time zone like Canyonlands and Arches National Parks plus Monument Valley? Just a drive across I-70 from Denver west is a beautiful drive. I haven’t been that way since 2003. I miss the big alpine mountains even though I live in the Blue Ridge Mtns. of NC.
Don’t blame you for bypassing the “Christian” amusement park. Not so much for the content which is highly debatable, but for pricing it out of the range of lower middle class Christians. I know some elderly Christians that would like to go there, but the price tags are too high. Well what are you going to do? I personally think Ham is a huckster as his, “No taxpayer money is going into this exhibit” ploy. Sounds like Jefferey Loria bamboozling the people of Miami behind closed doors until it was too lat to stop the city from building him a brand new baseball stadium. Something by the way that happens all the time. The Braves baseball team just got Cobb county to be on the hook for not just the half they agreed too, but are on the hook for cost overruns and future obligations, all on the promise that it will bring in revenue. Ham pulled a fast one with his underhanded bond issue cheating, but no tax money! Right?
Not going to make it to Canyonlands this trip. In 2013 we spent a week in the Moab area. Took I70 to Denver on the way back. I used to live in Grand Junction when I was a kid so I know western Colorado fairly well. This time we will spend more time in Wyoming than Colorado.
Kenny’s toy boat is composed of more than wood. If you look at this picture, http://images.christianpost.com/full/92915/ark-encounter.jpg, you will see that there are steel girders providing the infrastructure.
Nice to see your family with 5 kids. We too have 5 kids, although all of us are two decades older than you.
NH – The question to ask at Devils Tower is, “Where are any great column pieces scattered down slope for a mile or two in the direction that the Belle Fourche flows?” (Not a “granite” for lack of quartz crystals.) If the Flood first “deposited” the Sundance red sandy clay (and everything below, and at least 1,000 feet of now-gone material within which the molten rock had to cool), then the last Flood had to wash the Tower to view – everything heading NE & E around the northern Hills. But we don’t even see great ripple marks across the plains east of the Hills that should then be there.
Also – Secular science has shortened the time needed to expose the Tower down to a few million years of Deep Time. When rains and snow melt would freeze in the more-cracked (and longer exposed) top end, fragmenting it into a heap. Also, the chemistry of the rock crystals themselves doesn’t stand up like quartz. So with an OEC scenario, how does the Tower yet stand so tall? Be sure to leave time for the trail hike around it – and maybe plastic bags for an afternoon shower.
No need to post any of this (above or below, going off topic). In this June’s “Acts & Facts,” pp. 14-15, Brian Thomas writes on “Flood Evidence in Montana’s Mountains.” Just 23 miles NW of the NW corner of Yellowstone, Sphinx Mt. and “the Helmet” nearby are composed of a “unique rock type,” a mostly limestone conglomerate thousands of feet thick. [Michael Oard (who was there with Thomas and Jake Hebert, as pictured), gives you his story on this at: “The Limestone Conglomerate of Southwest Montana.”] Brian writes: “Early flooding … carried in the sediments that underlie Sphinx Mountain.” Oard says the (Paleozoic) conglomerates coming in later were shed from above a rising Idaho batholith – but there was still time for end-Flood waters to carve out the whole Madison Valley to the west of Sphinx Mt. So this all had to dump down the Missouri watershed and past St. Louis, we would have to say, assuming a valid YEC scenario.
This is lots more keep-on-trucking than what it takes them to expose Devils Tower.
I’d like to ask Oard how long it took limestone Flood-deposited over Idaho to solidify before it had to become part of a conglomerate blanket up to a mile thick that he says must have covered SW Montana,- just to account for Sphinx Mt., and the Red Conglomerate Peaks that he also mentions on the border of Montana and Idaho (100 miles WSW of Yellowstone).
I’d like to ask exactly how God’s Flood waters would want to do so much work, since this whole area sits more or less on the Continental Divide. [At. St. Helens, there is always a “downstream” where things could go.] As the Rockies started to appear, end-Flood, with a daily one-way tide going on to get the job done, there was no need for Idaho rock to be “shed” anywhere. Rock filling where the Madison River Valley is now would have no reason to move while Flood waters still stood to the east.
Oard mentions Lima MT (which is just north of where the Interstate crosses the Divide into Idaho). Lima is east of the Red Conglomerate Peaks 100 miles west of Yellowstone as a crow flies (when it heads home to its roost). You want to Search: dinosaur den lima mt. (I think NH did this.) So who will ask Oard & Thomas & Hebert how a dinosaur here in rock 30,000,000 years “older” than the Hell Creek formation was digging its floodplain den in the middle of their Flood catastrophism?
I’ve also found Ch. 15 of “The New Answers Book 4.” This is Snelling on: Could the Flood Cataclysm Deposit Uniform Sedimentary Rock Layers? His proof that FAST WATER did do the job appears to be the fact that the “neat, uniform” Grand Canyon layers (and other deposits) appear to be flat. But Henry II, now gone for a decade, never provided a single equation for how water can PICK UP AND MOVE what these boys require. And I’ve read where ALL water faster than maybe 20 mph or more (?) jumps into a chaotic state (the “turbulence” that Snelling doesn’t want across the continents).
Meanwhile also, Wiki tells us that the T. rex “Sue” was 28 years at death. On YouTube in 2010, we see John Morris in Seattle doing “Fossil Record: A Problem for Evolution.” At 47:00 he’s saying, “By studying the bones they were able to tell that she was at least 300 years old at the time of death.” He repeats at 47:30, “at least 300 years old – it’s hard to tell.” And at 49:28, “she died and was buried in the Flood.” NO MENTION at all of the smaller-sized T.rex “family” found nearby – where we should ask John how the Flood kept them so exactly together! And where Snelling (Book 4, p. 177) shows us “Tapeats Sandstone and its equivalents across North America” – this being the 1st (Sauk) megasequence “deposited” by the Flood. The Hell Creek dinosaurs had to wait (where?) until the 4th (Absaroka) megasequence. The 1st also wipes out Clarey’s “dinosaur peninsula.” In a court of public opinion, would you want such witnesses on your side?
On May 21, 2014, Ken Ham’s blog complains that 3 Christian Theology texts ignored the science (he calls it) of ICR/AiG staff of the past decades. Given how John Morris (and Thomas, above) do it, they can’t be blamed. — Glad to see you’re doing the Cairo Canyon. Maybe there’s something in any of the above that will get you thinking about your next project. I like the quote from John Trapp (1601-1669) on being happy walking the road less taken. “Unity without verity is no better than conspiracy.” I’m also remembering my summer exactly 50 years ago, based 120 miles west of Yellowstone, going on 8 fires with USFS hot shots. Back then it wasn’t so hard to get in. GLL
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