Dragon Tales, Dinosaurs, UFOs and the Creation Museum

A billboard advertising the new dragon exhibit at the Creation Museum.

A billboard advertising the new dragon exhibit at the Creation Museum.

Since its inception, one of the Creation Museum’s most provocative exhibits has been one that places dinosaurs and man side by side.  Likewise, the Noah’s Ark attraction, The Ark Encounter, depicts a scene from the pre-Flood world in which dinosaurs are fighting men and women in an roman-like arena.  While these scenes are anachronistic to most people at least almost everyone agrees that dinosaurs really did exist at some time in earth’s history.*

However, the Creation Museum also has an exhibit where you can learn all about how flying and fire-breathing dragons were not only real but also interacted with man in the recent past.  To support and defend that exhibit, Ken Ham wrote “Were Dinosaurs Dragons?”  In it he states what has become the AIG party line argument for the existence of dragons:

“Globally, there are many ancient descriptions and images of dragons. Interestingly, many of these descriptions and images are similar to drawings and depictions of how scientists believe dinosaurs would have looked. It makes sense: just as flood legends have a basis in a real event, dragon legends also have a basis in reality—that people saw animals they called “dragons.” Furthermore, God’s Word clearly teaches that all the land animals (which included what we call dinosaurs), along with Adam and Eve, were made on the sixth day of creation. Dinosaurs and humans lived together.”

A pre-Flood arena depicting the depravity of human beings before the Flood. Notice the dinosaur entering on the right side.

Ken Ham skirts the question of whether all dragons diversity should be equated with dinosaurs or if some dragons could have been something wholly different. What about dragons with no legs, wings and legs or the many that are said to breath fire?  Note the billboards they posted include an animal breathing fire and a snake-like dragon with no legs.

Around the same time I criticized Dr. Purdom at Answers in Genesis for her dismissal of Adrienne Mayor’s thesis about how encounters with preserved bones in the Middle East region were likely the physical sources of the drawings and stories of what we often consider mythical creatures such as dragons (Dinosaurs, Dragons and Ken Ham: The Literal Reality of Mythological Creatures).  I responded to several comments to that article but one in particular I wish to explore further.  The question I received was about how I might respond to eye-witness accounts of dragons throughout history and Marco Polo in particular.  Below I repeat and expand on my response to this inquiry.

Regarding eye-witness reports of dragons:  I have no doubt that many of those reports were written as sincere fact-based reports. However, that does not necessitate that the reports were describing actual dragons as Ken Ham believes. The human eye and brain are both sieves of reality for us. If we have heard stories that we believe are true and then see something that fits some parts of that story our minds will fill in the gaps.  For example, a crocodile is a fearsome creature and few in ancient times would get close enough to really study a living one in detail so most everything known would be hearsay bits of evidence that got compiled overtime into a general concept of what a crocodile or a komodo dragon or any of several real animals. Someone like Marco Polo, who records having seen a dragon, may have seen something he thought was a dragon.  But if he had heard any stories (very likely) about such creatures then his mind would fill in the gaps of his likely short encounter with a crocodile, or several other creatures in southeast Asia, with images that were mixture of what he actually saw with what he expected to see.  Writing down his encounter we have no need to believe he embellished the account.  Rather he simply recorded the facts as he remembered them because his memories were facts to him.  However those facts may not match with the reality of the event.  We know this is the case because he recorded many other  observations in addition to dragons which no one believes are true (even creationists).   It really isn’t hard for any of us to believe “facts” about things we don’t understand well.  This phenomena of memory is well-studied and documented.

Imagine finding a claw like this and not knowing what a fossil is. You would naturally assocciate it with a living animal that you din't know much about or had heard stories about.

Imagine finding a claw like this and not knowing what a fossil is. What would you do?  Naturally, you would naturally associate it with a living animal that you didn’t know much about or you would imagine that there a creature you have yet to see that has claws this size.

Let me illustrate with some examples of how real events can become intertwined with fiction.  What about fire-breathing dragons which the Creation Museum claim existed not long ago?  Swamps have swamp gas which is known to flare naturally occasionally. All it would take is for one flare to happen at the same time that a crocodile is emerging from a swamp in an attack for a person just barely escaping with their lives to truly believe that the crocodile breathed fire. Once one credible person has witnessed this and told 20 friends, every time those friends see or hear of a swamp flare they will associate it with a crocodile even if they didn’t actually see the flare coming from a crocodiles nostrils themselves. They will go on and tell 20 more friends and so on.   No one made this story up. It isn’t a fairy tale.  Every person who told the story believed it was true and many even believe they have witnessed an actual dragon.  But all of this doesn’t make fire-breathing dragons real.   Like the telephone game, even when each person believes they are passing on factual information they still don’t transmit the information word for word and thus the interpretation causes changes in the message over time even though each person along the chain believes the message to be true.

Komodo dragon from southereast Asia. No doubt many images of dragons from this area are inspired by this large reptile.

Komodo dragon from Indonesia. No doubt many images of dragons from this area are inspired by this large reptile which was more widespread in the past.  Combined with some bones or large animals that lived prior to the last ice age one would expect that legends of great beasts should be prevalent.

Most dragon legends and eye-witness accounts are hundred or even thousands of years old. Even by the time paintings of dragons were put on pottery or etched on stone walls the stories that inspired the artists could have been hundreds or thousands of years old.   Interestingly, there are more eye-witness report or artistic evidence (paintings and drawings) of  winged and fire-breathing dragons around the world than there is of dinosaurs.

Maybe this is partly why Ken Ham believes these dragons are as real as dinosaurs.  Since dinosaurs are obviously real and in his mind and lived among humans then the fact there seems to be as much evidence for dragons having lived recently must mean they are real.  But the fact that dinosaurs existed in the past is not reliant on eye-witness reports but is found in vast number of bones, footprints, eggs and feces they left behind for us to inspect and infer their existence and characteristics.  Where are the dragon skulls? Where are the dragon bones showing four legs and a set of wings attached to the same body (Pterosaurs had legs and winged arms, not arms and wings!)?  The physical evidence for dragons is missing unless you include skeletons of komodo dragons which look dragon-like but would not foot the bill for the type of dragons that Ken Ham envisions on earth.

Obviously aliens visited us 3000 years ago since their visit is recorded for us here. There are many similar images that are interpreted as spacecraft or aliens found all over the world. If UFOs and aliens are not real why should the same evidence for dragons be taken so seriously?

Obviously aliens visited us 3000 years ago since their visit is recorded for us here. There are many similar images that are interpreted as spacecraft or aliens found all over the world. If UFOs and aliens are not real why should the same evidence for dragons be taken so seriously?

Dragons are only known from human art and stories.  That got me wondering if there were other examples of things that people believe in that also lack physical evidence.

How about UFOs? Are they real? I personally don’t believe we have been visited by UFOs/aliens.  However, there are hundreds if not thousands of people who have reported to have been eye-witnesses of alien visitors and their spacecraft.  In fact, I am sure there are far more detailed accounts of UFO sightings than there are of dragon sightings. Yet, I don’t believe that extraterrestrial life forms have been visiting us all these years. Does this mean I think that all those stories are totally made up? Are these “witnesses” making the story for monetary gain or to draw attention for themselves? There is no doubt that sometimes this is the case.  But I also believe that many people who tell of UFO encounters are absolutely sincere and believe everything they have reported is factual.

Frequently what you will find with most UFO stories is the person that saw something has typically been exposed to other stories about UFOs.  In response, they have taken something they have really seen but that they didn’t fully understand and their brains have interpreted what they have seen to fit those stories. When they remember the scene later, their brain fills in facts for them without them even being conscious of it and so they report things as facts that are not really facts.

This is a common problem for police as they collect eye-witness accounts of accidents or crimes. I experienced this myself when I was a teenager. I witnessed an armed bank robbery. I stood no more than four feet from the perpetrator as he pulled out his gun and pointed it at the teller. I looked at him nearly straight in the face. Yet, a few hours later when I worked with a police sketch artist I provided very inaccurate information about his clothes, attributes of his gun and facial characteristics.  I didn’t do this intentionally but rather the drama of the  moment caused my mind to quickly derive what I thought a bank robber should look like and obscured his real appearance from my mind.  I was told that my eye-witness report was in complete odds with several others that were also in the bank. I still have an image etched into my mind of that event that really happened to me but I have no doubt that image is highly inaccurate.

The point is that the stories of dragons and images drawn of dragon-like things are far from slam dunk evidence of their existence.  Some sort of physical evidence in addition to eye-witness reports is really needed to bolster the case for their reality in the same way that physical evidence of an extraterrestrial craft is needed to corroborate eyewitness reports of flying saucers.  I wish I could say that I don’t understand how Ken Ham and friends would hype this new exhibit but I feel quite confident the reason is that they expect dragons to be real because of the worldview they have constructed for themselves causes them to cognitively interpret every scrap of evidence for dragons as “proof” of their existence knowing they must exist.  It is the mind filling in the evidence and “seeing” what is not there.

Of course Ken Ham would say that he derives his initial belief that dragons exist from the only true eye-witness account which cannot be false in any way.  That eye-witness would be the authority of scripture.  I won’t quibble with the word of God but I can confidently say Ken Ham is not an infallible interpreter of Scripture.  The weakness of the physical case of the existence of dragons should at least be a clue, even if it isn’t proof, to Ham and others that he needs to ask himself if he has interpreted the Scriptures inappropriately.


* There are some apparent age advocates and other lay creationists that will argue that dinosaurs never really existed but rather their bones were created as part of the creation.  I’ve been told by many people that they grew up with parents who told them that dinosaurs didn’t really exist.   That denial doesn’t seem to be based on any particular evidence but rather seems to be a reaction of those who seek to alleviate the perceived tension of the evidence of an ancient earth and a literal reading of Genesis.

A billboard advertising another new attraction at the Creation Museum. AIG spent more than two million dollars on advertising including a large billboard campaign.

This article is an updated version of one originally written in 2013.

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  1. thehonestskepticatgmaildotcom says:

    Interesting about the dinosaur-deniers… My wife told me once about reading a post somewhere, where a woman had stated that Satan placed those fossils there. I assumed it to be a one-off… but maybe it is a much bigger deal? Interesting…

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    • I’ve had individuals tell me this directly and I have had at least 10 people they have family that believe that dinosaurs bones are tricks of the devil to test our faith. I seem to remember there was a rather well-known pastor that was making such a claim and might be the origin of this belief but I need to go back and research that again.

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      • Claims that God (or the devil) put fossils directly into rocks go back at least several hundred years.

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      • Allen Witmer Miller says:

        I remember hearing stories in the 1950’s and 1960’s which took yet another stance on this. It was basically “God planted dinosaur bones in the ground to test the faith of his people and to frustrate the godless atheist scientists.” I never quite understood why anybody thought that this would frustrate scientists. Of course, I also wondered why anybody thought a God of holiness and truth would seek to deceive by placing pseudo-fossils in the ground of animals which never existed.

        I have suspected that such ideas were started by some radio preacher(s) who were popular in those days, but I’ve never research this. There were so many bizarre preachers on the radio back in the olden times. (Yes, even stranger than some we have today, IMHO.)

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        • While a small minority of fundamentalists today still claim that God or Satan planted fossils in rocks to test our faith, this suggestion dates back to the mid 1800’s if not earlier, in response to increasing evidence for an old Earth (which did not set well with some), and even more so after Darwin published his theory. For example, here’s an excerpt from “Lectures on Evolution (III): The Demonstrative Evidence of Evolution” in Select Works of Thomas H. Huxley, 1886. (A footnote says the lectures were delivered in New York in Sept.,1876.”): “I can but think that the time will come when such suggestions as these, such obvious attempts to escape the force of demonstration [of the truth of evolution], will be put upon the same footing as the supposition made by some writers, who are, I believe, not completely extinct at present, that fossils are mere simulacra, are no indications of the former existence of the animals to which they seem to belong; but that they are either sports of Nature, or special creations, intended—as I heard suggested the other day—to test our faith.” Obviously Huxley isn’t a master of brevity, since this boils down to “Some resort to the idea that God planted fossils in rocks to test our faith.”

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          • Thanks for the information.

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          • Another example, from The School of Life: Divine Providence in the Light of Modern Science by Theodore F. Seward, 1895: ” When geology began to show that, instead of six days, the world must have been many millions of years in the process of formation, devout men on all sides sprang forward to defend the Bible. So they supposed, but they were only defending an interpretation of its words which suited the “times of men’s ignorance,” but which must inevitably give way as knowledge increased. One zealous “defender” went so far as to claim that God placed fossil specimens among the rocks to test our faith and to show whether we would stand by the truth even against the evidence of our senses.”
            Even earlier (1857), Philip Gosse published Omphalos: An Attempt to Untie the Geological Knot. This was two years before Darwin’s On the Origin of Species (but after Gosse learned of Darwin’s ideas through scientific meetings and such). Gosse argued that fossils were not evidence of evolution, but that God created the Earth, including rocks, with the “appearance of age.” Many have since ridiculed him for suggesting that Adam would therefore have been created with a navel, or otherwise that the Creation would contain features suggesting a false history, and therefore imply a deceptive God. However, many YECs still use the “appearance of age” argument in regard to distant starlight and other aspects of their model.

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  2. All good points. I’ve addressed various specific cases of alleged dragon and dinosaur remains on ancient art, and supposed sightings of modern dragons, dinosaurs, and pterosaurs. All have more prosaic explanations and lack any credible physical evidence. See:
    http://paleo.cc/ce/dino-art.htm
    http://paleo.cc/paluxy/stegosaur-claim.htm
    http://paleo.cc/paluxy/livptero.htm
    http://paleo.cc/paluxy/plesios.htm
    Nor does the frequent YEC claim the Bible describes recent dinosaurs hold up to close scrutiny:
    http://paleo.cc/paluxy/behemoth.htm
    AIG abandoned the claims of alleged human tracks alongside dinosaur tracks in the Paluxy Riverbed of Texas, but some YECs (such as Carl Baugh, Dennis Petersen, Don Patton, and Ian Juby) still promote them, and ICR continues to depict them as “mysterious,” despite their thorough refutation by me and others: http://paleo.cc/paluxy.htm
    By the way, I hope to be heading down to Texas to do more track work in a couple weeks (if rains this weekend don’t flood the riverbed). If anyone wants to join in (we can always use more hands), please contact me at gkpaleo@yahoo.com. Thanks!

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  3. By there way, there are a number of websites that appear to be seriously arguing that dinosaurs did not exist, and claims to the contrary are part of a vast evolutionary conspiracy. However, just like Flat Earth promoting sites, some may be parodies or “tongue-in-cheek.” On the other hand, I’ve met a number of people who flatly and seriously refused to believe that dinosaurs existed –sometimes while standing right next to their fossilizzed footprints in Glen Rose, TX (where a common question is, “how do we know someone didn’t carve them?)” . By the way, the most common question from visitors there is, “how come they did not wash away from the river flow and weathering after millions of years?” Even with encouragement to think harder, it never occurs to most that they were buried and protected for most of geologic time. Perhaps the most amusing comment I’ve heard at the track sites is: “I knew dinosaurs were heavy, but I just never imagined they could punch holes in solid rock like this!”

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  4. Derek McComiskey says:
  5. Like the mythology surrounding dragons, the big creationist organizations are becoming more adept at incorporating what they see as competing narratives, even paranormal ones, into their existing Christian paradigm.

    Take UFology. CMI has a writer, Gary Bates, who writes extensively on the subject of UFO’s and purported alien abductions. His way of addressing the phenomenon, and vitiating its cult-like appeal, is to posit firsthand testimonies as manifesting demonic possessions, and similar such forces or entities. Bates attributes these to ‘fallen angels’, and of course, Satan. And Bates is not above dragging evolution into the mix, railing away at its supposed harmful influence on the wider culture. That too is explained away as Satanic in origin and intent.

    In short, yes, ‘abductees’ may be experiencing something powerful they find difficult to explain, but Bates believes there are standard ‘spiritual’ explanations to account for this, not ruling out that often simple naturalistic explanations, such as hallucinations or some form of mental illness, can suffice in the majority of cases, anyway. This is not too dissimilar to the Catholic Church’s position on exorcisms in alleged demonic possessions, by the way.

    Christianity has a long, proven track record of successfully incorporating preexisting or rival beliefs into its practice and lore. Possibly only evolution is resistant, at least to YEC, though it’s funny to see AiG conceding natural selection and adaptations, only to deny their role in the bigger picture that evolution contends.

    I don’t know what AiG’s take on UFology is, though Ken Ham, of course, often scoffs at or downplays the possibility of life elsewhere in our universe.

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    • For those who may think that no prominent YECs today still advocate that God may have directly created fossils in rocks, check out the writings of Robert Gentry. Ironically, ICR just published an article in their July Acts&Facts supportive of Gentry’s long-discredited radio-halo claims, but avoiding mentioning this aspect. Indeed, they falsly imply that the work of Robert Gentry on such halos is still valid and strong even though:
      1. Although not initially revealed by Gentry, it turns out that many of his halo-bearing rock samples came from intrusive or fossil bearing strata, and thus cannot be “creation rocks” as he claims, unless God directly created fossils and other false features in rocks. Amazingly, Gentry suggests that maybe he did, since “God can do anything.”
      2. ICR implies that “evolutionists” have no plausible answer to Gentry’s halo claims, even though they have been well refuted by several authors, including even fellow YECs such as Kurt Wise.
      3. Ironically, ICR itself diverges significantly from Gentry in how they interpret some of the halos. For example, Gentry implies all rocks with U halos (even in Mesozoic and fossil bearing rocks) are “primordial” or “creation rocks”, whereas ICR (evidently not willing to agree that fossils were directly created in rocks) suggests that many U halos were caused by radio decay rates being accelerated by “orders of magnitude” during the Flood. Supposedly this was demonstrated by ICR’s “RATE” project, even though:
      a. The RATE project demonstrated no such thing. The notion of vastly accelerated decay rates had no independent evidence behind it, and was just a desperate speculation to avoid facing compelling evidence against their view. Indeed, the RATE authors admitted that far too much radioactive decay was recorded in the geologic record to fit a YEC time frame. I believe that admission should be widely publicized, since it alone thoroughly discredits YECism. However, rather than face its implications, the ICR authors:
      b. Appealed to ad-hoc miracles to explain the ad-hoc acceleration.
      c. Appealed to more ad-hoc miracles to protect the Earth from the massive heat and radiation such acceleration would have caused (which would have killed every living thing on Earth).
      d. Never explained why God would accelerate decay rates in the first place, since its main effects would be to fry the Earth and make it look old.
      For more on Gentry and his radio halo ideas and “appearance of age” claims, see: http://paleo.cc/ce/halos.htm
      For more on the RATE project and its misleading depiction by ICR, see: http://paleo.cc/ce/halos.htm http://paleo.cc/ce/RATE-project.htm
      and: https://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/rate-ri.htm
      Again, I think the results of the RATE project should be more widely publicized by YEC watchers, since when examined apart from ICR’s spin-doctoring, they actually strongly confirm an old Earth. Indeed, the fact that the only way ICR could deal with key evidence was to repeatedly invent arbitrary, illogical miracles (which they refer to with euphemisms such as “providence”) removes any pretense of “science” from “creation science.”

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  6. Just this weekend in Cedar Rapids, while celebrating 50 years since my marriage in Milwaukee three weeks after the 1968 riots, I got to tell a science-minded niece and her cousin about the importance of the rock bits full of fusulinids that I sent home with them. These were river-run rock from the Kansas River at Topeka — Permian country — and if they were all “deposited” in such mass quantities by God’s single, chaotic, worldwide Flood, as Ken Ham & Co. claim, then HOW or WHY did the Flood n-o-t deposit a-n-y of these grain size single cell marine creatures anywhere – starting a few days later – in any Mesozoic strata? You may as well boil up a pot of chicken & rice soup to fill 20 bowls, and then find no rice at all in any of the first or last bowls filled. That’s what I told them.

    God, of course, would never want to fool people with his creation of an appearance of change through time (the common assumption being that if anything looks old, it has to be old). Why can’t we suppose that a God of love who knows the whole future of his Church on earth chose to create such a wealth of fusulinids in eastern Kansas — just there, and not in any of the rock that I’ve eyeballed east of the Missouri to Lake Michigan — so that you can ask anybody blinded by AiG and ICR error, “Just tell me: How can you fill just 3 or 4 bowls of soup, out of 20, with rice, from one pot?” I’ve said it before: Isaiah 45:15 says that God HIDES himself. If God only is unchanging, it would be entirely a right thing to “hide” behind a universal created appearance of change through time. GLL

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