The Persistent Myth of Modern Mammals Living with Dinosaurs

I’ve spent years listening to and studying the claims of young-age creationism. In recent years, one of the most persistent myths I’ve encountered in my work is the claim that modern mammals lived alongside dinosaurs. I made a video about this myth not long ago and soon after heard the primary propagator of this lie, Dr. Carl Werner, repeat this misinformation once again.

In my recent video I once again addressed the specific claims made by Carl Warner. If you’re interested in getting the full story, I encourage you to check out the video below. In this blog post, I’ll summarize the key points and provide some additional context.

The Claim: Modern Mammals Alongside Dinosaurs

Carl Warner, in a recent interview, made several bold claims about mammal fossils found with dinosaurs:

  1. He asserts that that more than 400 species of mammals have been found with dinosaurs.
  2. Among these 400+ species, he claims that about 10 look like modern animals, including beavers, hedgehogs, and Tasmanian devils.
  3. He suggests that these findings are evidence that members of modern mammalian groups lived alongside dinosaurs.

At first glance, these claims might seem compelling. After all, if we’ve found fossils of animals that look just like modern mammals alongside dinosaur remains, wouldn’t that prove that mammals that you are familiar with today coexisted with dinosaurs? However, as is often the case in science, the reality is much more complex and less compelling than these simplified claims suggest.

The Reality: Misinterpretation of Fossil Evidence

The “Jurassic Beaver” Myth

One of the most frequently cited examples in this debate is the so-called “Jurassic beaver.” Warner and others have claimed this as evidence of modern mammals living with dinosaurs. However, this interpretation is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the fossil evidence.

The fossil in question, while having some superficial similarities to a beaver (like a flattened tail), is not actually related to modern beavers. It belongs to an extinct group of mammals called docodonts, which are more distantly related to any living mammal than say human beings are to beavers. This fossil has been sensationalized in some popular press articles, but the original scientific literature describing the fossil makes no comparison to modern beavers.

Superficial Similarities vs. Anatomical Differences

This pattern of misinterpretation extends to other fossils as well. Warner mentions a “hedgehog-like” creature and a Tasmanian devil-like animal. While these fossils may have some superficial similarities to modern mammals, their anatomy tells a different story.

For instance, the “hedgehog-like” creature had quills, which might make it look similar to a modern hedgehog at first glance. However, its skeletal structure, teeth, and other anatomical features clearly show that it’s not related to modern hedgehogs. It’s a case of convergent evolution – where similar features evolve independently in unrelated groups.

Diverse but Different

The reality of what we know from the fossil record about mammals living during the time of dinosaurs is actually more interesting than the simplified picture presented by Warner. There were indeed hundreds of species of mammals that lived at some point alongside dinosaurs, but they were very different from the mammals we see today.

Most of these ancient mammals belonged to now-extinct groups like multituberculates, docodonts, and other groups you likely have never heard of because there are no living descendants of these groups today. These groups had their own unique characteristics and occupied ecological niches very different from modern mammals. All of them were quite small, the largest of which would have been the size of a small capybara. Most were likely nocturnal and lived in burrows under the ground or in holes in trees. Many laid eggs and had tooth morphologies different from today’s mammals.

Interestingly,we have yet to find any evidence of large mammals like elephants, horses, apes, tapirs, cows, deer, camels, bears, rhinos, whales or any other large mammal you can think of living alongside dinosaurs.

Moreover, the diversity of these ancient mammals was limited compared to what we see today. There’s no evidence of primates, carnivores (like cats or dogs), or ungulates (like horses or deer) from this time. The major diversification of mammals into the forms we’re familiar with today appears to have occurred after the extinction of the dinosaurs.

The Importance of Accurate Interpretation

As scientists and science communicators, it’s crucial that we base our claims on accurate information and rigorous analysis. This controversy highlights several important points:

  1. The need to read and understand original research, not just popular press articles.
  2. The importance of understanding taxonomic relationships and not relying solely on superficial similarities.
  3. The value of being willing to revise our views in light of new evidence.

Conclusion: Why This Matters

The debate about mammals and dinosaurs is more than just an academic disagreement. It speaks to larger issues of scientific literacy, critical thinking, and how we understand the history of life on Earth. The actual fossil record tells a story of mammalian evolution that’s far more interesting than the simplified picture of modern mammals living with dinosaurs. Understanding this reality not only gives us a more accurate picture of Earth’s history but also deepens our appreciation for the incredible diversity of life, both past and present.

4 thoughts on “The Persistent Myth of Modern Mammals Living with Dinosaurs

  1. A question and a comment. Question: is Carl Warner being knowingly dishonest? After all, the points you make must immediately be obvious to anyone who bothers to look at the evidence. And comment: how do you rebut the inevitable creationist response that by appealing to taxonomy you are presupposing the validity of evolution science?

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    1. Joel explicitly refers to evolution several times in the article, so I don’t see any need for creationists to infer anything about his beliefs from references to taxonomy.

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    2. Hi Paul, I’m appealing to taxonomy knowing that creationists are also bound to taxonomic as well. They have their “kinds” and I’m stressing there that following their own rules, these organisms in the fossil record with dinosaurs don’t belong to any kinds that are alive today and so in that sense not “modern” taxa even in a creationist sense.

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